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Old Jan 19, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37   #1
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Haven't ran a dervish before, but I've been thinking about running a build like this for PvE.

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Scythe Mastery- 10+2+1
Mysticism- 11+2
Smiting Prayers- 10

[card]Eremite's Attack[/card][card]Radiant Scythe[/card][card]Lyssa's Assault[/card][card]Eternal Aura[/card][card]Judge's Insight[/card][card]Heart of Fury[/card][card]Retribution[/card][card]Avatar of Lyssa[/card]

with 20/20, 15%^Enchant, and 20% Enchanting mods. Not sure how great it'd do though, any ideas?
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Old Jan 19, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52   #2
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...What's with retribution? Also 12 mysticism will do as the breakpoint for energy regain is every 3 levels. But hey, anything works in pve
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Old Jan 19, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54   #3
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add a res and mystic sweep
get rid of the monk skills =)
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Old Jan 19, 2008, 05:14 PM // 17:14   #4
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^ What he said
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Old Jan 19, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33   #5
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Haven't ran a dervish before, but I've been thinking about running a build like this for PvE.

D/Mo

Scythe Mastery- 10+2+1
Mysticism- 11+2
Smiting Prayers- 10

[card]Eremite's Attack[/card][card]Radiant Scythe[/card][card]Lyssa's Assault[/card][card]Eternal Aura[/card][card]Judge's Insight[/card][card]Heart of Fury[/card][card]Retribution[/card][card]Avatar of Lyssa[/card]

with 20/20, 15%^Enchant, and 20% Enchanting mods. Not sure how great it'd do though, any ideas?
Personally, I'd take out those monk skills and instead of Judge's insight use Aura of Holy Might. It converts your damage to holy and adds a bonus to damage. Lyssa's Assault isn't needed with Avatar of Lyssa you will have plenty of energy to spam attack skills; use Mystic Sweep instead.
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Old Jan 19, 2008, 08:17 PM // 20:17   #6
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Haven't ran a dervish before
Yeah, kinda guessed. Keep up with the comedy threads though
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Old Jan 20, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50   #7
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Hey, at least this build is Lyssa and not Balthazar. Mind you, it would be less "slightly amusing" and more "facepalm" if it were.

Anyway. In addition to what has been said above, Lyssa's Assault is overrated; if you really need an e-management skill, Zealous Sweep is better if you're facing more than one enemy, despite the high recycle. The mods you're talking about are good, although you might consider a Zealous scythe rather than Sundering if you're finding energy an issue (probably won't need e-management skills if so).

The other bonus is the Zealous equivalent is pretty easy to get - Droknar's Reaper has those stats and it's a GW:EN endgame weapon.

So... in a nutshell try this:
[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Radiant Scythe[/skill] ([skill]Zealous Sweep[/skill] or [skill]Wild Blow[/skill]) [skill]Eternal Aura[/skill][skill]Aura of Holy Might[/skill] ([skill]Heart of Holy Flame[/skill] is reasonable if you can't get AoHM) [skill]Heart of Fury[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Sunspear Rebirth Signet[/skill]
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Old Jan 20, 2008, 11:11 AM // 11:11   #8
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Hey, at least this build is Lyssa and not Balthazar. Mind you, it would be less "slightly amusing" and more "facepalm" if it were.

Anyway. In addition to what has been said above, Lyssa's Assault is overrated; if you really need an e-management skill, Zealous Sweep is better if you're facing more than one enemy, despite the high recycle. The mods you're talking about are good, although you might consider a Zealous scythe rather than Sundering if you're finding energy an issue (probably won't need e-management skills if so).

The other bonus is the Zealous equivalent is pretty easy to get - Droknar's Reaper has those stats and it's a GW:EN endgame weapon.

So... in a nutshell try this:
[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Radiant Scythe[/skill] ([skill]Zealous Sweep[/skill] or [skill]Wild Blow[/skill]) [skill]Eternal Aura[/skill][skill]Aura of Holy Might[/skill] ([skill]Heart of Holy Flame[/skill] is reasonable if you can't get AoHM) [skill]Heart of Fury[/skill][skill]Avatar of Lyssa[/skill][skill]Sunspear Rebirth Signet[/skill]
Thanks, I'll try this instead.
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Old Jan 21, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22   #9
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Lyssa's Assault is better than Zealous Sweep.

Zealous Sweep = gives 3 energy per enemy hit. Net loss of 2 with one enemy, net gain of 1 with 2, and net gain of 4 with 3. 10s recharge.

Lyssa's Assault = net gain of 3 energy. 8s recharge.

Obviously, with 2 or less enemies hit, Lyssa's Assault wins.


With 3 enemies hit, if each is used on recharge, that's around 0.3583 energy per second for Zealous Sweep, and 0.3273 energy per second for Lyssa's Assault.

*slightly* better for Zealous Sweep. However, for the other 90% of the time where you can't hit 3 enemies simultaneously, Lyssa's Assault wins.

So, Lyssa's Assault > Zealous Sweep


Also don't use Sunspear Rebirth Signet on melee characters, you don't want your backliners to rez on the frontline.
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Old Jan 21, 2008, 08:55 AM // 08:55   #10
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Also don't use Sunspear Rebirth Signet on melee characters, you don't want your backliners to rez on the frontline.
Just like warriors stand in a mob using healing signet? Come on, you run to the backline or somewhere out of the way - res - then charge back in. Sunspear sig > everything else. I'll be happy to res my monk with full energy anyday.
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Old Jan 21, 2008, 06:53 PM // 18:53   #11
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Lyssa's Assault is better than Zealous Sweep.
hu what? u serious?
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Zealous Sweep = gives 3 energy per enemy hit. Net loss of 2 with one enemy, net gain of 1 with 2, and net gain of 4 with 3. 10s recharge.
why are you gitting one enemy? in PvE you should be hitting 2 or 3 all the time. in PvP you cant spare the skill bar space for either skill.
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Lyssa's Assault = net gain of 3 energy. 8s recharge.
what are you talking about? at 14 scythe lyssa's returns 1 energy.
If you are running a superior rune, you need alot more explanation than i have time for.

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Obviously, with 2 or less enemies hit, Lyssa's Assault wins.
no, with 1 or less. with 2 enemies both return 1 energy, but zealous does more damage. you should always be hitting more than 1 in PvE.


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With 3 enemies hit, if each is used on recharge, that's around 0.3583 energy per second for Zealous Sweep, and 0.3273 energy per second for Lyssa's Assault.
bla bla bla, your numbers were wrong from the start.

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*slightly* better for Zealous Sweep. However, for the other 90% of the time where you can't hit 3 enemies simultaneously, Lyssa's Assault wins.
riiiiggggghhhttt

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So, Lyssa's Assault > Zealous Sweep
no

anyways, you dont need either if you have a zealous scythe.
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Old Jan 21, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53   #12
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lol. This board is awesome.

I should note, if you're using Zealous Sweep you are going to try to use it against groups of enemies anyway, rather than just one where Lyssa's Assault has the advantage.
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Old Jan 23, 2008, 04:07 AM // 04:07   #13
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Lyssa's Assault only provides 13 energy return at 16 scythe mastery. At 12 scythe mastery, it provides 10. I sincerely hope that no one is using a superior rune in a general purpose PvE build.
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Old Jan 23, 2008, 04:28 AM // 04:28   #14
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Lyssa's Assault only provides 13 energy return at 16 scythe mastery. At 12 scythe mastery, it provides 10. I sincerely hope that no one is using a superior rune in a general purpose PvE build.
Why?

Warriors finish the game with [skill=text]Mending[/skill].

Besides, lower health makes Protective Spirit more effective :P.
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Old Jan 23, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37   #15
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Why?

Warriors finish the game with [skill=text]Mending[/skill].

Besides, lower health makes Protective Spirit more effective :P.
you forgot your sarcasm tag!
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Old Jan 23, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41   #16
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you forgot your sarcasm tag!
Actually, it deserves a cynical tag. It wasn't sarcasm because it is actually true, PvE is so pathetically easy that a superior rune really doesn't matter much, this point is even furthered by the amount of "l33t" Warriors that have finished all games with Mending.
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Old Jan 26, 2008, 02:34 AM // 02:34   #17
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mending owns though
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Old Jan 26, 2008, 09:25 AM // 09:25   #18
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mending owns though
That was original.
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Old Jan 27, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35   #19
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serious? found it rather bad, doesn't heal that much imo
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Old Jan 28, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57   #20
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Constant health regen pwns n00bzz

l3rn2play

frigging noobs all classes should go monk secondary and bring these 3 skills
[skill]healing breeze[/skill][skill]mending[/skill][skill]restore life[/skill]

anyone who doesn't isn't pro and needs to uninstall guildwars.
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also really go warrior secondary with a dervish and run wildblow or distracting

the lyssa build I like is

mystic sweep
ermite's attack
protectors strike
wildblow/distracting blow
ava of lyssa
aura of holy might
eternal aura
res
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